Sunday, May 06, 2012

Livingston County Millage votes this Tuesday

While most of the hype is for Brighton, there's actually three millage related elections up this Tuesday - May 8th.

Fowlerville Schools has a Renewal question for non homestead property. This affects businesses, 2nd homes, and rental properties.

Hartland Schools also has a Renewal question

Brighton Schools is the big one. 88 Million Dollars

I wish these measures were up for a vote in August or November, instead of costing tax money by having it in May with a lower turnout and one more favorable to someone who has a vested interest in this passing.

I have mixed views about the Brighton millage.  I think, as John Conely said, a sinking fund would have been a better route, as well as a lesser amount. I also don't like the timing. I will give some credit that as far as I could tell, I didn't see any campaign finance violations for once, unlike the MEA's elections. I did find it interesting though that a lot of donors were construction firms. Someone wants a contract.


Some of the things I think are needed. I do see the need for the football field (although if the plan is artificial turf I am 100% against astroturf like Jackson's field for injury reasons). Football brings in money, through sponsors, ticket sales, and even brings in students. We've gotten 8,000+ at games. Computers I can see as well. The computers when I was there were dinosaurs. Pre 286 era back when most computers were 486 and Pentiums were coming out. It's leveled off some and I don't know what's there now, but I can see the argument there. A revamp for the performing arts center? Arguable. That could bring in money, and we certainly see the advertisements for their events. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

But a new pool? Some of the other things? Are they needs, or are they wants? If they are wants, can it pay for itself through attracting students to the school, ticket sales, third party contracts, sponsorships, or other measures?

And the amount. 88 Million, plus interest over 30 years, while our taxpayers are still paying off old bonds, in a bad economy. To put it bluntly, that's a shitload of money, unless you're the government. The other question is this. Will the new stuff be maintained properly, or will it go to hell so there can be a new bond issue 10 years from now because new stuff is needed? While the school system has been better than it was with fiscal measures, there's still a lot of work to do. There's not a lot of confidence there and still some holdovers from the Joyce Powers/Joe Carney era. That's not to mention the uncertainty of the future school boards and administrations.

I'd like to see this defeated because of the amount, with a more reasonable amount asked for later (preferably August/November), or a sinking fund as an alternative. This isn't the 80's or late 90's economy. Michigan has been in a 10+ year period of recession or slow "recovery."

7 comments:

Communications guru said...

What a load of crap. The Hartland teabaggers are spreading lies about this election with robocalls and campaign signs, and school board member John Conley is their biggest contributors. Talk about dishonesty, but this is par for the course from Republicans, It’s certainly not the first time they have used questionable tactics in an election. Considering the number of properties Conley owns in the school district, it’s not hard to see what he’s pulling this shell game. It’s just sad the kids are taking a backseat to his wallet. But what can you expect from a criminal.

As for the timing of the election, it was a Republican bill that allowed them to have the election in May.

Sargent said...

Tea Baggers? You ignorant moron. These people are actually the people that are safe guarding the constitution, freedom, and over spending by the government. Tea Party people have the courage to stand up to idiots like you and find the truth. Learn before you open your mouth.

Communications guru said...

Yes, teabaggers. No, they are doing so such thing, and if they stand for nothing. You can’t call them the “tea party” because they are not a party. Why? Because they don’t have the courage to stand up for their views. There is a Green Party, the Libertarian Party of Michigan, the U.S. Taxpayers Party of Michigan, the Libertarian Party and Natural Law Party. There is no such thing as the “tea party,” just teabaggers.

NotMe said...

Ah yes and here we have another fine example of a progressive windbag spouting the typical factless party propaganda. I suppose if your side had any factual information you'd attempt to present it instead of the laughable verbal diarrhea we are witnessing here. First off progressive air head, here in reality the tea party movement exists enough to elect several backed members into the US congress in 2010 (you remember '10 when your progressive agenda was rebuked as evidenced by historical losses in congress you took) and as promised those members consistently voted against goverment spending and stopped your progressive agenda in its tracks. Here are some other facts for you to chew on, US per student spending is in the top 5 in the world however our students routinely rank in the mid teens to upper 20's depending on which organizations rankings you use (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_spe_per_pri_sch_stu-spending-per-primary-school-student). We taxpayers are done shoveling money into school administrators pockets and pissing it away on frivolous bs where good and poor teachers are paid the same regardless of merit. So feel free to continue to shovel your factless emotional tripe all day long (and I'm sure as a legislative staffer no amount of factual information is going to change your mind about your big goverment incessant droning on since you are surrounded by those that depend on big government to maintain their positions) but let me assure you the tax payers of this country are fed up with the lies out of the progressives.

Communications guru said...

After reading your rant – AKA verbal diarrhea - I see why you have to resort to name-calling.

Again, there is no such thing as the “tea party” because you know voters would reject you if you actually had the courage to become a party. I remember 2010, and it will never happen again.
Frivolous BS? Like what, buildings, busing, heat, computers, athletics and countless other items? However, it’s OK to shovel tax dollars into the pockets of private corporations with no accountability, like those 1980s junk-bond king and convicted felon Mike Milken. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232076996440.htm

If you see lie, point it out, anonymous.

NotMe said...

"I see why you have to resort to name-calling."

lol From the "teabagger" name callerl Oh yes, you are above the name calling, huh. Yet another throw the bomb then turtle in your shell like a prepubescent girl tactic you and your ilk run to repeatedly. When you want to talk like an adult you will be treated like one, until then pull up your big boy pants take your verbal beatdown.


"If you see lie, point it out"

This is a lie:
"There is no such thing as the “tea party,” just teabaggers."

And I already pointed it out(please try to keep up) which apparently hit a sore spot given the "its never going to happen again" comment (based on no evidence just wishful thinking I presume) after pointing out the tea party backed candidates handed you your ass in the last election.

The afraid to stand up for their beliefs line is priceless from the progressive movement that has been hiding in the shadows of legitimate democrat party, redefining language with political newspeak in the attempt to avoid letting your agenda out of the bag. Classic.


The operations and maintenance budget for 2011 was 5.6 Million and somehow I'm supposed to believe next year we are going to "need" the current 5.6Million plus another 11 million to heat and maintain the school? Why? did enrollment increase 200% this year? Perhaps some of the administrators can get off their nearly 200K/year compensation packages if we are coming up a bit short.


"However, it’s OK to shovel tax dollars into the pockets of private corporations with no accountability"

Last I checked those evil private corporations dont have a millage increase to vote on,so please explain how we are "shoveling money into their pockets" by voting down an excessive millage request? Or was that just another talking point with no basis on the subject at hand?

Save the empty talking points and private corporation fear mongering for your peers that are incapable of looking at the facts and making decisions for the good of the entire community instead of lining their own pockets.

If you want to come here and toss bombs based on your nonsensical propaganda feel free but its not going to go unchallenged. Let me know if you have anything intelligent to say, because at this point I'm bored with this "conversation".

NotMe said...

"I see why you have to resort to name-calling."

lol From the "teabagger" name caller Oh yes, you're above the name calling, huh. We all get the throw the bomb then turtle in your shell like a prepubescent girl tactic you and your ilk run to repeatedly. When you want to talk like an adult you will be treated like one, until then pull up your big boy pants take your verbal beatdown.


"If you see lie, point it out"

This is a lie:
"There is no such thing as the “tea party,” just teabaggers."

And I already pointed it out(please try to keep up) which apparently hit a sore spot given the "its never going to happen again" comment after pointing out the tea party backed candidates handed you your ass in the last election.

And the afraid to stand up line is priceless from the entire movement that has been hiding in the shadows of legitimate democrat party, redefining language with political newspeak in the attempt to avoid letting your agenda out of the bag.


The operations and maintenance budget for 2011 was 5.6 Million and somehow I'm supposed to believe next year we are going to "need" the current 5.6Million plus another 11 million to heat and maintain the school? Why did enrollment increase 200% this year? Perhaps some of the administrators can get off their nearly 200K/year salaries/benefits if we are coming up a bit short to fund the new swimming pool(go ask Pinckney schools what a great idea the swimming pool that last I heard stands drained with nobody using it).


"However, it’s OK to shovel tax dollars into the pockets of private corporations with no accountability"

Last I checked those evil private corporations dont have a millage increase to vote on,so please explain how we are "shoveling money into their pockets" by voting down an excessive millage increase? Or was that just another talking point with no basis on the subject at hand.

Oddly enough those private corporations with no accountability turn out equivalent results at a fraction of the cost of government schools. I guess they must be appealing to their corporate masters to keep those heating bills down, lol what a bunch of nonsense. Save the empty talking points and private corporation fear mongering for your peers that are incapable of looking at the facts and making decisions for the good of the entire community instead of lining their own pockets.

If you want to come here and toss bombs based on your nonsensical propaganda feel free but its not going to go unchallenged.